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Info-Hams Digest            Tue, 28 Dec 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1517

Today's Topics:
                Any FAX software for AEA DSP-2232 ???
                         cw waivers (3 msgs)
How to find the answers to frequently-asked questions about Ham Radio
                              ICOM R-100
                    License Update Processing Time
             UK scanner listeners arrested; called "hams"
                    VK2 Council meeting, 17 Dec 93
                 Where are all the young enthusiasts?
               who sells good HT battery replacements?

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Date: 28 Dec 93 17:46:54 GMT
From: ogicse!news.tek.com!gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com!gold.gvg.tek.com!gvgadg![e-mail]
Subject: Any FAX software for AEA DSP-2232 ???
To: [e-mail]

I am interested in receiving both AM (NOAA 137MHz) and FM (WEFAX) FAX images.
I have a DSP-2232 and it seems to have the modems to decode these modes.

I have tried various software, AEA 900 FAX, AEA WEFAX (that $99 device), and
JVFAX (with all of its modes) to interface with the DSP-2232 with no luck.

Does anyone know of any software (PC or Mac) that works the DSP-2232 to receive
fax images?

Thanks,
Randy Hall
WA2AGE

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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Date: 28 Dec 93 10:25:04 GMT
From: noc.near.net!news.delphi.com![e-mail]
Subject: cw waivers
To: [e-mail]

>[e-mail] (Derek Wills) wrote:
>>[e-mail] claims:
>>>Anyone with a learning disorder and a doctor can get a code waiver by
>>>just making an appointment.  I know a few people who have gotten one
>>>by simply picking up the phone and telling their doctor they need it!

CW is no officially obsolete. Even the marine systems have dropped it. Other
digital (yes cw is digital) modes are far better. CW is only kept because of
obsolete international rules. It is also fun to do and I do it but that does
not make it better.

                   Gil Baron, El Baron Rojo, W0MN Rochester,MN
                   "Bailar es Vivir"
                   PGP2.X key at key servers or upon request

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Date: 28 Dec 93 11:08:49 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!darwin.sura.net!gatekeeper.es.dupont.com!esds01.es.dupont.com![e-mail]
Subject: cw waivers
To: [e-mail]

In article <2foe3e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Buddy Brannan) writes:
>All I've gotta say is: Thank god that the FCC is being more stringent with this
>code waiver thingy. There are very few cases I can think of where someone could
>not copy 13- or 20-wpm code. I can, and (as noted by my .sig) I am blind.
>Blindness has, I'm told, been used as an excuse for taking the code waiver.
>Well, what a cop-out. Anyhow, yeah, if it's needed, fine, but I think that
>there's a number of people who probably take the waiver when, through a little
>effort, they could pass the test. No solid proof of course, but it's this
>feeling I've got. Irrational, perhaps ... but if the FCC is getting more strict
>with it, then it won't affect people who genuinely need a waiver (the few
>who do).
>


(IMHO) There is a need for waivers for those who 'medically' need it.
       And, there is a no-code Amateur ticket for those who want to
       go that way also.  Many Amateurs who were against both had
       valid reasons.  They thought that the 'Waivered' ticket would
       lead to fraudulent claims (which I have never seen one case
       published.)  However, nothing against the majority of the no-code
       Techs, but they have their foot in the door now and a minority
       of them want more now with HF access.

 There will always be a group who will want to see the Amateur
 Radio Service as we know it today disassembled.  They won't
 be happy until the Form 610 comes inside of the rig box like
 it use to be with CB.  Maybe they should just put them on the
 backs of cereal boxes or get one with your junk mail.  Then
 maybe when there is no room left for a QSO on HF they'll be
 happy.  (They = any amateur who want to do away with all
 code requirements for any HF band access.)



Thanks & 73                   |"Get your facts first, and then you can
Tom WI3P                      | distort them as much as you please."
[e-mail]| Mark Twain
*** MY EMPLOYER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ME NOR I FOR THEM  ****

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Date: 28 Dec 93 16:04:00 GMT
From: world!ksr![e-mail]
Subject: cw waivers
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>According to the Newsline article, RTTY, AMTOR, and *other non-CW
>digital protocols* all count toward the award. That opens the possibility
>for totally automated stations to achieve DXCC in a short time.

Oh boy.  I've always looked forward to the day when machines could enjoy my
hobbies for me, thus freeing me to ... uh ...

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Date: 28 Dec 93 02:44:04 GMT
From: ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!thunder![e-mail]
Subject: How to find the answers to frequently-asked questions about Ham Radio
To: [e-mail]

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.1.1.4
Archive-name: ham-faq-ptr

How to find the Rec.radio.amateur.misc Frequently Asked Questions list
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This article will tell you how to find the answers to frequently-asked
Questions (FAQ) from rec.radio.amateur.misc.  The FAQ articles are posted on
the 7th of each month.  This article is posted on the 14th, 21st, and 28th of
every month as a reminder of where to find the FAQ.

The FAQ articles are intended to summarize some common questions on the
rec.radio.amateur.misc newsgroup and Info-Hams mail list as well as to help
beginners get started.

Besides the monthly posting, the FAQ is always available via anonymous FTP
and from e-mail servers.  This article contains instructions for obtaining a
copy of the FAQ.  It also contains the table of contents from the FAQ so
that you know which questions are covered by it.

Please provide a copy of the FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams you know.

Regular FAQ postings can help save network bandwidth and maintain a good
signal-to-noise ratio in the newsgroup.  However, they can't do it alone - you,
the reader, have to use them.  If you are a new user, please print and review
the FAQ articles and look at the instructions in the news.newusers newsgroup
before posting any articles.  If you are an experienced user, please help by
refraining from answering frequently-asked questions on the newsgroup if they
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asked the question.  (It will be helpful if you include the part of the FAQ
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--How to obtain a current copy of the FAQ-------------------------------------

There are 3 ways to obtain a copy of the FAQ.
1) NetNews
2) Anonymous FTP
3) An Electronic Mail Server

Option #1: NetNews
------------------
If you are familiar enough with NetNews to look through previous articles on
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so that it should not expire from your site's news spool until the next one is
posted.  Unfortunately, some news administrators do not honor the expiration
dates meant to preserve the FAQ.

Look in rec.radio.amateur.misc, rec.radio.info, rec.answers, or news.answers.
If the FAQ has expired at your site, try Option #2 (and ask your news
administrator to honor expiration dates for articles cross-posted to
news.answers if he/she can.)

Option #2: Anonymous FTP
------------------------
Anonymous FTP uses the File Transfer Protocol.  It is only available to sites
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FTP and can't find a friend to help you, continue to Option #3.  If your site
is not connected to the Internet, you should also continue to Option #3.

The following sites have copies of the FAQ:
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-------------------  --------------------
ftp.amdahl.com       pub/radio/amateur/faq.[1-3].Z
                     located in western USA, FAQ updated daily
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu   pub/ham-radio/faq_ham_[1-3]
                     located in eastern USA, FAQ updated monthly
rtfm.mit.edu         pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq/part*
                     located in eastern USA, FAQ updated monthly
       contains news.answers archive - most UseNet FAQs are here
grivel.une.edu.au    pub/ham-radio/buffalo/ham-radio/faq_ham_[1-3]
                     located in Australia, FAQ updated monthly
       (Ham files mirrored from buffalo/funet/ucsd daily)
nic.funet.fi         pub/ham/info/faq_ham_[1-3]
                     located in Finland, FAQ updated monthly

Remember, when connecting to the remote system, use the login name of
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---------------------------------
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Table of Contents
-----------------
Dates indicate last modification.

Part 1 - Introduction to the FAQ and Amateur Radio
**  Table of Contents (6/93)
**  Introduction to the FAQ (11/92)
    * How to Contribute to the FAQ Articles (6/93)
    * Acknowledgements (6/93)
    * Notes on "Netiquette" (1/93)
**  What is Amateur Radio? (11/92)
**  Who can become a ham? (6/93)
**  Where can I locate information and books on Amateur Radio? (9/93)
**  How much does it cost? (9/92)
**  Where can I take the tests? (9/93)
**  What are the tests like? (6/93)
**  What can I do with a ham radio license? (5/92)
**  What can't I do with an Amateur Radio license? (pre-4/92)
**  I'm interested, who will help me? (11/92)
**  Should I build my own equipment or antenna? (11/92)

Part 2 - Amateur Radio Organizations, Services, and Information Sources
**  Where can I find Ham Radio information with a computer? (11/92)
    * The rec.radio.* newsgroups (6/93)
    * The ARRL e-mail server (1/93)
    * The KA6ETB e-mail "HAM-server" (new 9/93)
    * The Internet File Transfer Protocol (FTP) (9/93)
    * Access to FTP archives via electronic mail (1/93)
    * The Ham-Radio mail list: rec.radio.amateur.misc by mail (9/93)
    * Telephone BBS's with Ham-related information (9/93)
    * Callsign servers and geographical name servers (11/92)
    * FTP access to FCC Part 97 and FCC Amateur Radio question pools (9/93)
    * Lists of radio modifications and extensions (11/92)
**  Can I send ARRL or W5YI electronic mail? (11/92)
**  "Why doesn't the ARRL do...?" (11/92)
**  What magazines are available for Ham Radio? (pre-4/92)
**  How do I use the incoming and outgoing QSL bureau? (11/92)
**  Are there any news groups for CAP? (11/92)
**  What's the name of the QRP club that issues QRP numbers? (9/93)
**  How do I become a 10-10 member? (9/93)
**  How do I join MARS? (9/93)
**  How do I join RACES? (pre-4/92)
**  What organizations are available to help handicapped hams? (pre-4/92)
**  I am looking for a specific ham, can anyone help me find him? (6/93)
**  Can I post my neat new ham related program on rec.radio.amateur.misc?
    (pre-4/92)
**  Where can I get ham radio software for my computer? (9/93)
**  Are there Dialup News services or BBSs for Amateur Radio? (4/92)
**  Where can I find VE sessions in my local area? (9/93)
**  Why isn't XXX available electronically? (4/92)

Part 3 - Amateur Radio Advanced and Technical Questions
**  What are the different US amateur classes and what can each of them do?
    (pre-4/92)
**  What is the best way to learn Morse Code? (10/92)
**  What is the standard for measuring Morse code speed? (pre-4/92)
**  What is the standard phonetic alphabet? (new 9/93)
**  I'm confused. What do all those abbreviations mean??? (6/93)
**  What do all those "tones" mean? (pre-4/92)
**  Where can I learn more about Amateur Radio if I live outside the US?
    (9/93)
**  How can I get a "reciprocal license" if I am a licensed ham from another
    country or if I am a FCC licensed ham who wants to operate in another
    country (on vacation)? (9/93)
**  My apartment or housing complex does not allow outdoor antennas, now what
    do I do? (9/93)
**  I got TVI...HELP!!! (9/93)
**  Did you know that you can get college credit for being a ham? (pre-4/92)
**  On what frequencies do JPL and GSFC retransmit the shuttle audio?
    (10/92)
**  Can I take my HT on an airplane and operate it if I get the permission
    of the captain? (4/92)
**  How do I modify my current Amateur license? (9/93)
**  I'm confused about XXX, should I ask the FCC? (9/93)
**  Is there any information on antique radios? (pre-4/92)
**  Where can I buy vacuum tubes? (9/93)
**  What do I need to get started in packet radio? (9/93)
**  What do I need to get started in satellite communications? (9/93)
**  What is available to get started in ATV, SSTV and WEFAX? (9/93)
**  What are these contests I sometimes hear, and how do I participate? (9/93)


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 17:03:14 GMT
From: newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!odo![e-mail]
Subject: ICOM R-100
To: [e-mail]

I'm looking for a good price on the R-100, or a used one. The best price
I've seen is around $649. If anyone know where I can pick one up cheaper
(or find a used one), please mail directly - I don't usually follow this
group.

Thanks, Bob

--
Bob Oesterlin  IBM Application Business Systems, Dept 54T, Rochester MN 55901
IBM IPNET: [e-mail]                Internet:[e-mail]
Phone: [phone] (tie) 553-4528

"The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 09:03:38 -0700
From: orca.es.com!cnn.sim.es.com!msanders.sim.es.com![e-mail]
Subject: License Update Processing Time
To: [e-mail]

General test passed on 20 Oct in "7" land, no callsign change, license
issued 21 Dec, mailed 27 Dec (some slowdown due to holidays (Thanksgiving
and Christmas) - still running about 9 weeks.

Milt
--
=========================================================================

Opinions, thoughts, &cetera are my own (when I can remember them).

"He flies the sky                               KB7MSF
Like an Eagle in the eye                         UTAH
of a hurricane that's abandoned."

     America

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 13:03:10 GMT
From: sgiblab!swrinde!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]
Subject: UK scanner listeners arrested; called "hams"
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Hough) writes:
>
>Under English law (and probably Scottish as well - the two are not always
>the same) the only things you can listen to radio-wise without a licence of
>some sort are broadcast stuff, amateur radio and transmissions from the
>standard frequency service.

I thought you had to have a license to receive broadcast too, or is that
just TV?

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

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Date: 28 Dec 1993 18:01:21 GMT
From: sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!noc.near.net!jericho.mc.com!fugu![e-mail]
Subject: VK2 Council meeting, 17 Dec 93
To: [e-mail]

In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Dave Horsfall) writes:

-->
-->  VK2 Council meeting, 17 Dec 93
-->
-->Here is a report of a Council meeting held at Amateur Radio House
-->on  17th December,  just before the scheduled ATV  meeting.   The
-->Council  meeting was requested by at least four Councillors  (al-
-->though only one such request is necessary to hold same).
-->
-->Present  were:   R.Yorston  VK2CAN,  C.Miranda  VK2TCM,  R.Henley

(lotsa good Aussie humor deleted for brevity)

->witnessed,  etc.   Again,  various  points  of order were  raised
-->(including at least one Motion of Dissent), and again were either
-->ignored or ruled to be out of order.  A motion that the motion be
-->put was ignored.
-->
-->Finally, following a motion that the proxies be declared invalid,
-->the  Chairman adjourned the meeting (whilst the aforesaid  Motion
-->was still upon the table) - ignoring the protests of other  Coun-
-->cil members - and the President and the Secretary departed amidst
-->expressions of derision from the audience.
-->
-->-- Dave Horsfall VK2KFU, by invitation of the Broadcast Officer
-->
-->--
-->Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)    VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC     PGP 2.3
-->[e-mail]           ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave    available

No Worries!

Sounds like the typical ham club meeting here also David,
so don't be so amazed at the President's actions.

If you're ever in New England send me a msg.  I'll try to
get you into an Algonquin Amateur Radio Club Meeting.


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 16:57:49 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: Where are all the young enthusiasts?
To: [e-mail]

Larry Kollar ([e-mail]) wrote:

: threatening the establishment is exactly what LARC (and most clubs, to
: tell the truth) need.  Ham radio is in a rut.  And from what I've heard
: from others, LARC is actually one of the better clubs around.  Makes me
: wonder what the bad ones are like.

: OK, how about you & me & Richard (and anyone else you can think of) get
: together at a BBQ joint and talk about what can be done.  I've been
: hinting for a long time that LARC needs come competition -- I'm done
: with just dropping hints.  You're not the only one disenchanted -- how
: many times have I been to a meeting this year?  There are others.

Hey!  Can someone from San Francisco attend the threat-in?  The SFARC
is in a similar rut and I'd sure like to push more there with the warm
fuzzies that havin unindicted coconspiritors in LaLa land would bring.

: --
: Larry Kollar, KC4WZK   | I like CW, but that doesn't mean I think every ham
: [e-mail]  | should have to learn it.
:                "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."
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Date: 28 Dec 93 16:44:54 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!willis1.cis.uab.edu!right.dom.uab.edu![e-mail]
Subject: who sells good HT battery replacements?
To: [e-mail]

MY HT power pack no longer will hold a charge over a reasonable time
and I am planning on replacing it.  What mail order venders makes
reliable battery packs that offer good value?  I am looking for
something that will fit an ALINCO DJ500T HT.

Steve Holland

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 17:05:36 GMT
From: newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!rs47445![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2fkooa$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,<2foe3e$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>m
Subject : Re: cw waivers

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thomas Collins  WI3P) writes:
|> In article <2foe3e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Buddy Brannan) writes:
|> >All I've gotta say is: Thank god that the FCC is being more stringent with this
|> >code waiver thingy. There are very few cases I can think of where someone could
|> >not copy 13- or 20-wpm code. I can, and (as noted by my .sig) I am blind.
|> >Blindness has, I'm told, been used as an excuse for taking the code waiver.
|> >Well, what a cop-out. Anyhow, yeah, if it's needed, fine, but I think that
|> >there's a number of people who probably take the waiver when, through a little
|> >effort, they could pass the test. No solid proof of course, but it's this
|> >feeling I've got. Irrational, perhaps ... but if the FCC is getting more strict
|> >with it, then it won't affect people who genuinely need a waiver (the few
|> >who do).
|> >
|>
|>
|> (IMHO) There is a need for waivers for those who 'medically' need it.
|>        And, there is a no-code Amateur ticket for those who want to
|>        go that way also.  Many Amateurs who were against both had
|>        valid reasons.  They thought that the 'Waivered' ticket would
|>        lead to fraudulent claims (which I have never seen one case
|>        published.)  However, nothing against the majority of the no-code
|>        Techs, but they have their foot in the door now and a minority
|>        of them want more now with HF access.
|>
|>  There will always be a group who will want to see the Amateur
|>  Radio Service as we know it today disassembled.  They won't
|>  be happy until the Form 610 comes inside of the rig box like
|>  it use to be with CB.  Maybe they should just put them on the
|>  backs of cereal boxes or get one with your junk mail.  Then
|>  maybe when there is no room left for a QSO on HF they'll be
|>  happy.  (They = any amateur who want to do away with all
|>  code requirements for any HF band access.)
|>
|>
|>
|> Thanks & 73                   |"Get your facts first, and then you can
|> Tom WI3P                      | distort them as much as you please."
|> [e-mail]| Mark Twain
|> *** MY EMPLOYER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ME NOR I FOR THEM  ****

Actually since W is not needed and it not any kind fo a reliable indicator of
technical or operating comptetance I say hurray. CW as a requirement should be
eliminated. It is an outmoded method of communication and is wrothwhile only as a
fun test of a particular skill. TI has no relavanve whatsoever to competance in
any other phase of the hobby. I say that it is jsut taking up too much of the ham
bands. MUCH more space should be allocated to the efficient digital modes such as
pactor and more communication could be carried out. Even hf packet would be much
better if all were not forced to operate on a very narrow range of frequencies.
Come out of the dark ages and into the light.


[e-mail]     for e mail
"Bailar es vivir"

RAISING FLAME SHIELDS NOW

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Date: 28 Dec 1993 15:51:18 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Where are all the young enthusiasts?

In article <[e-mail]>,
John Reed <[e-mail]> wrote:

...stuff deleted
>
>The problem I am having with my club is my age...  I am the first young ham
>they've had in a while that is highly active....always on the radio...operating
>at field day, raising hell at club meetings, etc....
>
>It seems that everytime there's a problem in the club, I'm the one to blame.
>Shortly after I got my license, we had a problem with a TouchTone bandit on
>the club repeater....all the OF's thought it was me.....   even since, I have
>been more active then 80% of the club members, yet I'm still passed up for
>club nominations each year, passed up for control operator appointments,
>special duties in the club, etc...
>
>MMy club as yet to give me the respect that I deserve as a member and as a
>person..everytime I open my mouth at a meeting, I'm met with a "That's nice
>son" attitude and a motion to shut up...  I'm cut off in mid sentence, etc...
>
>I don't if other clubs are like that with their new young hams, but mine is
>bad...
>
>Some of these old phartes need to learn that us new hams have plenty to offer
>and in no way are we threatening to the establishment... I've done plenty for
>my club, without return....  if they only knew what I was capable of... in
>the CAP, I am a group communications officer, a node operator, a repeater
>control operator and site custodian for the machine, I node op a ham node,
>(GVL07:n4tii-7 in Gainesville, GA - 145.07), I am in AF MARS, (afa2fh), and
>have been a region 2 net control station, a beacon station, a TEXN agent.
>I'm the AEC for the Hall County GA ares...etc etc etc.... but I'm just not
>qualified to serve as an officer in my club because "I'm too little!"
>
>
>[SOUR GRAPES MODE - off]
>
>73 de John "pissed off at Lanierland Amatuer Radio Club" Reed, N4tii
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John:

The North Shore Radio Club needs YOU!  How about moving to Chicago?

Greg KD9AZ

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